LLedo Days Gone Bye Horse Drawn Carriages A Guide for 28mm Wargamers

28mm WarGaming With LLEDO
What you as a 28mm wargamer need to know is first that Lledo is a toy manufacturer and not a scale model maker. All of their vehicles both horse drawn and cars were made to fit a standard sized box. So what does that mean? Well Lledo vehicles fall into two general categories, 20mm(1/72nd) or 28mm or there about. I personally own 4 of the Lledo horse drawn models the Milk Float, Delivery Van, Omnibus and the Fire engine. Some models work perfectly for 28mm others do not.

 

 Omnibus with 28mm Eureka figures. 

As you can see the omnibus is much too small for 28mm use. I suspect the Tram is too small as well. 

 The Milk Float with 28mm Eureka figure.

The smaller carriages, the Milk Float, Delevery Van and Fire Engine work perfectly for 28mm.

Bare in mind that all the plastic horses provided with the carriages  are too small and will need to be replaced. 

 

Lledo plastic horse next to 28mm metal horse.

The next thing you have to bare in mind is that Lledo made money from selling the promotional value of ads on the toys, so those nicely printed ads on the carriages are not historically acurate at all. Also remember that there are a limited number of body types, the only thing that changes in a particular vehicle line (omnibus, milk float, etc..) are the ads printed on them.

See same toys different ads.

Below is a series of photos of the carriages upgraded to 28mm.  

 All carriages come with driver figures some of them are 28mm.

 
A short history taken from Wikipedia.
"Lledo was a brand of die cast toys, founded in 1982 by Matchbox co-founder Jack Odell and Burt Russell. The factory produced diecast vehicles in Enfield, England from 1983 to 1999. Models were later made in China. Lledo was a reversal of Odell's own surname. Lledo set out to specialize in replicating early Matchbox series styles, particularly the Models of Yesteryear range. The first Lledo models appeared on the market in early 1983. These were a horse-drawn tram, a horse-drawn milk float, a horse-drawn delivery van, a stagecoach-like omnibus, and a horse-drawn fire engine. Around April 1983 the first deliveries of the "Days Gone" range of models were shipped, soon after this, in order to further support the range required by the avid collecters, the company turned to the promotions market and started offering the models to companies as a quality, British made vehicle to carry logos for gifts, product launches and special promotions etc.  These promotional models were mostly produced in limited edition runs of 500 or 1000 models. Lledo went bankrupt in 1999, and the naming rights and model range were bought by Corgi which continued producing Lledo models in China until 2005, when the remaining models were merged into the Corgi Classics range. "

Guide to LLEDO Horse Drawn Carriages with Model Numbers

DG001 Horse Drawn Tran

DG002 Horse Drawn Milk Float

DG003, LP003, PM108, SP003 Horse Drawn Delivery Van

DG004, LP004 Horse Drawn Omnibus

DG005, LP005, SP005 Shand Mason Horse Drawn Fire Engine

DG011 Horse Drawn Removal Van

DG031 Horse Drawn Brewers Dray

PM115 Horse Drawn Tank Wagon 
(A special promotion for Standard Oil it may haven been given out by the company as a gift.)

 *DG-Days Gone Bye *LP-Lldeo Promotional *SP-Stevelyn Promotional

This article is from the Plastic Solider Review, a site for 1/72 scale wargamers is packed with  scale pictures of the accompanying Lledo plastic figures and other tidbits. Check it out.


Ebay and collector's web stores like this one http://www.lledomodels.com/ seem to be the best place to get them.

Amazon is currently selling the Shand Mason Horse Drawn Fire Engine you can find it here and here. 

Carts of Course

I've been working on carriages for my London board here are some work in progress shots.

Lideo Bakers Van with Recreation Conflict Harness Mule

Here is a period picture of a similar van apart from the wheels which I will replace what do you think?

Here is the Lideo plastic driver. Victorian drivers are proving hard to come by.

Do you guys think the mule is a good size for the baker's van? Please let me know in the comments.
I bought the Lideo vehicle from Recreational Conflict he sold out of this vehicle but has some others. The Mule is also from Recreational Conflict and can be found in the Tiger Miniatures section under colonial Equipment.

London board Accessories Part 2

I've received my order from Recreational Conflict with my Lideo diecast carriages. I've been asked to post a size comparison photo. I've photographed a few with a west wind zombie for scale.

All the horses are clearly 20mm and will have to be replaced on all the carriages. Its clear I'll need to give them a base to raise them up to the level of the figure bases. On the whole I'm very happy with them. I'm especially happy with the fire engine. I love it! The other carriages have these rubber rimmed wheels, I'm not sure if they are period correct. I'll have to look into that.

Now I'm not happy with the omnibus. It's clearly 20mm and there isn't any I can do about that. Well a gamble doesn't always pay off. But at $3 its not much of a financial loss.

I may scavenge the wheels. I really like them.

I received a number of sprues of plastic figures which go with these carriages.Many of them look post WWI to me. I will use the dairy man drive with the dog he's nifty.

I'm terribly upset that these firemen in proper London firemen uniforms are 20mm. If I use them the engine will look like its crewed by boys.

Let me know what you think of them.

Sorry for the hasty pictures,

London Board Accessories

I've just ordered a number of Lideo Diecast vehicles, which I intend to use as London board accessories from Recreational Conflict. I've been looking for these as alternative vehicles for some time now. I've been scanning ebay for them without luck. Imagine my surprise when I discovered that Recreational Conflict had a bunch of them on sale.  The Lideo horse drawn vehicles are listed as 20-25mm in scale, which would make them a little small. But at $3 a piece how can I go wrong? They will do nicely as stand ins until West Wind offers there new vehicles.

Here are some of the vehicles I ordered.

I think some of them will be useable with the West Wind by swapping out the horse with a 25mm one and adding a 25mm driver from Old Glory or RAFM. Like these models pictures below:

I'll take comparison shots once the arrive in the post.